So pastor rock stars are way more dangerous. Ultimately only Willow Creek congregants can decide the fate of their church sad state of affairs with millions of dollars at stake. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. (In a related relevant situation, wasnt it the tech department that noticed irregularities with messaging from Tullian Tchividjian to women that directly led to the disclosure of his misconduct?). This is being dealt with by the appropriate people and I will follow up when I learn more. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. I think the rule of thumb is that for every person who complains, there are 15-20 more that dont just because of the hassle and expectation nothing will change. Tonight we wept in sadness for all the people closely associated with this story, yes, even for Bill and Lynn and for their adult children. HE GOT AWAY WITH IT, SO CAN I! teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. Yet, the faith grew in the midst of these awful circumstances. Is there love afte. Peter was upset. So much for their Christian wittiness, huh? Exactly. The similarities in these womens stories were striking. Tried to handle it internally. He then shared unfiltered thoughts about me, describing in great detail specific parts of my body he liked, and said he thought I was effusive, sexy and had great candor, mentioned what a promising leader I was, and he said. But only a few. Your comment covers a lot of ground I am all too familiar with. They also have two children together, whose name we don't know. I agree/support the various responses to Brad Brucker. Ive known Sociopaths who could look you right in the eye and Lie with total open-eyed, butter-wouldnt-melt-in-their-mouth Sincerity. 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. So both Nancy Ortberg and her husband wonderful teaching pastors stayed on the staff later resigned to pastor in California. Electronic medical records are a good example of confidentiality in action. If the 21st century church had the same healthy respect for a literal hell that the 1st century church had, we might behave differently in and out of church including church leaders! There is nothing wrong with this picture, this is the way it happens. The creep factor never ceases to amaze me. Too many missed opportunities to do the right thing. Was it addressed and ignored by the elders? (Usually seeker Megas go with you are just human and made mistakes and not you are a worm so its to be expected. There are films to prove it. In 2014, Leanne Mellado let me know that a good friend of hers had shared a disturbing story. Not a wise thing to do. Maybe they could get Lee Strobel back to write another book The Case for Bill. is lynne hybels still married to bill. 1 Peter 4:8 Couldnt find it on wayback. I hope that someone who knows what they are doing is archiving all of the official statements and documents by Hybels and WC. And whistleblowers are rarely the pristine good guys with no baggage. Are you saying that God is insufficient in this situation? Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. Many folks seem to focus on the shock horror when yet another wicked man is exposed. Our job is to call. @ dee: What shes done more than anything is reveal that Willow Creek had/has a culture and work environment that is not guided or governed by wise, common-sense policies or practices for accountabilityespecially when it came to male-female relationships. Its not great for innovation. As I say if he had a true understanding of what his behavior had done he might give the kind of apology that these women want. In this day and age, no one wants to get their name caught in the tangled web. I try to look for the patterns and tactics of the perps and their enablers. I am a Billy Graham fan, just so you know. It was part of his long time abuse of her. i.e. The pastor didnt understand that this was not about sex but about control and power. All we can do is obey the Lord, do whatever it is were told by Him to do. As I said, I dont hug people at work. If they were sent and stored in a encrypted format, then you would need the key to open them and read them. Or the colleague. Its their normal. I do not know the answer to this question but red flags are waving up, down and all around this situation. Thus, this person offering an opinion that things may have been taken wrong in Hybels case is one thing, but offering up details/takes on her say-so on action of J Ortberg putting him in less than a flattering light appears at first blush to potentially be from the wagon-circling camp which in and of itself is why many dont speak out instantly. Ill assume you mean well and are somewhere back in that stage where youre still denying. The solution? Brad, for better or worse, you are an example of the average WCC person to me. to this, the source of detailed information about the 1,000+ unreadable emails and Bill Hybels policy of not having email messages archived and his explanation of why comes from the initial Chicago Tribune article. Position? That is a big part of the problem. But on the wider scope, I asked the folks a work today if they knew what was happening at Willow Creek. I am an infrequent commenter here, but have been following the WW for years. If at the end of this tragedy, Willow Creek gets that they will flow like a river rather than a creek. For most organizations, hard questions and analytical thinking is NOT desirable, as it will almost always challenges the official orthodoxy and might even unmask hidden agendas. Who wants to stir that pot over something potentially ambiguous? I suspect (although I dont know for sure) that a hug creates a higher dose of oxytocin. The people there sold out to it will protect it at all costs. At one mega, the pastors alleged other woman was the missions director. I dont know what mainstream is for this topic. . All it would take, with most women is a subtle suggestion that You did come to my hotel room voluntarily or I didnt force you to stay and have a glass of wine to manipulate her into blaming herself for any inappropriate activity and keep her mouth shut. Things are starting to get ugly. Maybe they even went to the Wailing Wall and performed that satanic ritual and maybe were forever changed and lost. Personally I was more offended by Wailing Wall-Satanic ritual connection. People so manipulated, though wounded, never quite understand what is causing the pain. We werent leaders, but we can tell you re: Stowell and many others that they leave and say nothing or little to protect their own reputations and future work in ministry. And theres nothing fundamentally wrong with that in the proper context. *Bill also admitted that the woman alleging an affair had spent many nights at the Hybels home when Lynne was out of town.* (from the Nancy Ortberg post). How is that not normal? There are some 20 gifts mentioned in Scripture (Romans 12, Ephesians 4, 1 Corinthians 1213). No one, from the janitor to the CEO, can be deemed off limits to the moral and ethical demands of respect, decency and appropriate behavior. But thats over the course of 42 years of ministry! Has anyone complained about inappropriate behavior from John Ortberg? Or would he start looking for material for making a whip? If/when he does come forward to confess and repent of past bad behavior, he and Willow Creek elders will no longer be viewed as honest and credible among the remaining members. We would often rent out suites in hotels when there were medical conferences/ conventions going on. Maybe hes just old. Jesus Christ is the assessory. Even our laws in the US lead to punishment o f one chooses to disobey them . No one. Just wondering if theres a way to make it easier to keep up. Actually, those are the tools of the enemy, formerly called deception and it is THAT which God desires to rescue us from. You are so right. [I]n his private life, according to a number of women in his orbit, Krauss exhibits some of the sexist behavior that he denounces in public. Messy as it might be, this is better I think. All that to say, once these people leave WCC they realize the atmosphere there was not right, and yes this would include John Ortberg as well. I suspect one does not not from creepy hugs, but research shows it is true in more ambivalent hugs, or hugs where someone is already inclined to have even a small degree of trust (e.g. Celebrity is credibility in that world. What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. I go even further with it, Jack. (2) A face-to-face conversation with Bill Hybels on April 6th. I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. Sometime in the next two weeks, I am going to write a story about a woman who was raped by her husband. Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. Walking away from an institution is not the same as walking away from faith in Christ. Ive been to Ephesus and it is just a tourist destination. So Im now wondering. I fund it demeaning to victims and I dont do demeaning here. Its not the victim. William Edward (Bill) LaBarre of Marietta passed away at his home at 1:52 AM Saturday, February 25, 2023 surrounded by his family. I have scolded him & tutted at what hes said & jokingly just gone go on , get out of here, but Id never tell his wife & risk that blowing anything in their family up. All so sad! And if it gets really bad the staunch hybels factions may end up being ousted. Sidenote: My (female) cousin took it personally one time when we side hugged her instead of a full hug! Just wonderin, Similarities Only those who walk in darkness need to hide what they are doing. This is VERY common. I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. Christianity is so intertwined with our society as the religion that the majority, if they dont believe, at least pay lip service to. And people are actually saying Hybels being a champion of women was under false pretenses, for Sex? Hint hint. Are you really saying we would not judge anyone for anything? If you ever get the chance find the book, Corporate Cults. Dee and Deb, if you are able, can you please let Vonda know about my previous comment? But worse. Redemption. Some will sadly never make the decision to follow Christ. Trying to encourage and create the best in everyone.. There is great peace in being able to say That action was wrong. and not have to decide Is he saved?. The principles are sound, thoughwell enough to be applied to anyone's marriage, especially those looking to place God in the middle. (Currently deemed questionable at best.). Put a frog in a pot,with boiling water and the frog knows to jump out, but if the water is a slow boil, the frog with stay and finally be boiled. 20 years later Ive served in ministry as well as a school administrator for small and very large public high schools. @ jackie: havent forgotten. Like you, quite a few of us have spent years studying it deeply. Whats being destroyed is the idol worship of Bill Hybels. This includes a majority Christian circle. He is the founder of the Willow Creek Association and creator of the Global Leadership Summit . Bill Hybels touched me, hugged me invited me to his room I left then went to my hotel room and cried.. I just posted an article with links to two case studies from the #MeToo movement, one from the entertainment field (Joss Whedon) and one from the skeptics/scientists author-speaker circuit (Lawrence Krauss). So grateful for this much-needed emphasis this weekend. Every believer has a unique calling. And its worse for Christian rocks stars, because nobody spiritualizes your regular rock band, and expects them to be perfect. (Likewise, it seems that women did not have clarity about reportable behaviors and were expected to handle it on their own.). Anti-semitic ? Hybels chief goal seems to have been to get his sexual needs met without negotiation. Its up to friends what they do. I allowed links and discussion on Jodis open letter despite the fact that I found it insulting to true victims. This video was shot in and aroundKirkenesand Pas National Park bordering Russia, at 70 degree north and 30 degrees east. https://futuristguymedia.wordpress.com/pyramid-of-abuse-and-culpability-complicity/. They know exactly how to size people up, how to take advantage of their needs, insecurities, weaknesses, etc. Since 1975, when Lynne & Bill Hybels started Willow Creek Community Church, Lynne has been an active volunteer at the church.For the last fifteen years she has engaged in ministry partnerships in under-resourced communities in Latin America and Africa. Well, yes, absolutely. I would have probably rolled my eyes at Vonda on stage in 2003 because I despised the commercial entertainment mega world by then. And it all comes cloaked in the name of the Christianity and the Church. I do. I dont want to think poorly of John Ortberg too. How long are you going to allow Satan to control your actions? And while Hybels coached men to abide by the so-called "Billy Graham rule"never being alone with a women he was not married tohe often broke that rule, according to the Tribune. And, are most people blowing this thing up bigger than it is. However, for people like those profiled on this site who have fallen short in protecting those under their charge (say, by covering ups their own misdeeds and/or crimes or those of others) to reemerge in a place where they again wish to wield spiritual authority (by starting another ministry (sic) in which they assume spiritual leadership or selling books advising sheep on spiritual matters seeking funding from said sheep in each case) is massively troubling. He pulled me aside and asked me if anything had happened. I not only strongly agree, I tend to look back at the whole Church movement, and see a change that began with you guessed it Bill Hybels and Willow Creek. Wife Bill Hybels married his wife in 1974 when Bill was a youth pastor. @ Davis and Natasha: Bill called my hotel room in Sweden, in February of 1998, after a long conference day. @ Lea: 2,395 Followers, 144 Following, 415 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from @lynnehybels No one walks away unascathed. At which she would perhaps be really smart to think that she could handle it herself without causing trouble in her marriage. Bill did nothing wrong at all! I dont know how to respond to the letter. The Eurythmics. B wrote: Position? High five, yes, hug no. Hint hint. She thanks you too. So, it is imperative to preserve discoverables especially as the destruction or withholding of them may mean the court can interpret that act as consciousness of guilt and therefore assume that the evidence went against the case of spoliators. I leave all matters of *who is and who is not a real Christian* In the capable hands of the One who has a higher pay grade. Ambien or the Devil it is always Something/one Elses Fault. Some of how he came across might also be that to some extent, he too has been a victim of at least some lies and misconstrued intentions. The FAQ document she links, however, entitled Willow Creek Response to Local Media, has mysteriously transformed itself into a 404 NOT FOUND message. I too believed that what I experienced was an aberration and couldnt be attributed to a person of such spiritual stature. Because his REAL Personal LORD and Savior (PASTOR Hybels) is getting Blasphemed. its definitely legit and very well written. Ortberg gives us some eyebrow raising information. Maybe you were mistaken, and maybe it was just a fluke and will never happen again. I do, however, see how the dastardly could try and use the physical emotional responses to size up or groom a potential victim. All about leadership, leadership, leadership. Ambien or the Devil it is always Something/one Elses Fault. Its ridiculous. I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. Actually if the pastor or anyone is dealing with confidential matters (e.g., a member of the congregation is having a spiritual crisis or has a kid dying but doesnt want the general congregation to know[think back to the 1980s when many people shunned those with AIDS]) his or her email should be encrypted and his computers hard disk should be encrypted (and any backup encrypted). Bill Hybels married Lynne Hybels back in 1974. I am thankful for the hard work Bill Hybels and his family have done. In her statement Monday, Niequist said she remains "in relationship with my dad." "I love him, & I always will. What I count is as follows: And what is important here is that authoritarian control, often gained through emotional, spiritual and or sexual abuse is frequently used to establish control and enable institutions to achieve whatever it is their true agendas are. 1 comment about arms Now it seems we have a culture of corruption at Willow Creek from the Top-Down. Recently posted by the Chicago Tribune, which has tracked this story since breaking it in March: Two publishers suspend publication of books by megachurch pastor Hybels in wake of misconduct allegations.. Ok, gotcha. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. A brave woman called each person out, which led to subsequent allegations, Differences On the surface, an extended hug may seem harmless, even though deep down it creeps you out a little. We are not gullible fools. People have been had. I would be ROFL if it didnt mean that there are some folks who have been deceived. She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. From what I understand Hybels had a history of handpicking Bible versus to pummel anyone who disagreed with him concerning church doctrine, etc Not surprising. His third publisher, Zondervan, has not yet responded to inquiries. Why? I read it Daily and Journal too. JIHAD! There was also some sort of one world conspiracy deal. One does not mess with God and get away with it. She also questioned her own judgment in whether he was actually being inappropriate. In light of the testimonies of additional women who suffered his unwanted attentions, the only remaining question is how many women were victimized and how long has this been going on. Conferences in exotic locales, entitlement, accolades, a volunteer workforce that actually gives you 10% of their earnings. I believe the accusers in this case especially since you corroborate that they knew the difference in a hug and a hug. The elders at Willow Creek Community Church tonight sent an email to congregants, stating that the church is "heartbroken" over the "abuse" of a congregant. Its all God this, God that, God God God. Bill asked her to have me call when I got out. I cant deny I have been blessed by WC and the GLS. Try to respond like Jesus might and you will be let through. There are no winners here. I know. Wherever my story takes me, however dark and difficult the theme, there is always some hope and redemption, not because readers like happy endings, but because I am an optimist at heart. My guess is that given what we know now, she would not have been running with him. The way it worked with all of these people is very similar to the way it worked with us. Last Son Standing? However, I am not going to let every Tom, Dick and Joe Salitas to copy and paste the letter into this comment section. I hope they will be held accountable and step down. It is hard enough fighting rampant sex abuse in churches. Hybels has been open regarding his professional career but does not share any information about his personal life. It would be very nice if he went to each one of them with other unbiased witnesses, and came to understand how his behavior, even if it was misconstrued, had affected them and apologized it would be nice, but I know that sometime you have to conduct your own healing process, with the help of God of course, and others regardless of the abusers behavior. Jodi Walle, who worked for John Ortberg, has written a note. Thanks for the info. 1 in particular always made flirtatious comments. LOL I sure never did on the few creepy weirdo hugs I was subjected to! This is Uncharted Territory for them. Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. Children The couple has two children. Speak the Word when it is time and serve with love always. Nancys story is not outrageous to me. No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. in one of those situations. Max, darn! "He told me what he thought about how I looked, very specifically, what he thought about my leadership gifts, my strengths," she told the Tribune. We made sure I would not be placed in a situation like that again. Thank you for adding some lightness to this overwhelming news. That is a mistake. You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. I wonder if you would say the same thing about a small church in rural Indiana or is it only the big churches that are the most important? Jan 13, 2018. I teach fraud for a living, you see, developed my universitys curriculum on it and am at this very moment in negotiation with a publisher to develop a textbook on it. I do wonder what the men exchanging holy kisses in bible times did for their brains. She uses grooming quite cleverly. However, for people like those profiled on this site who have fallen short in protecting those under their charge (say, by covering ups their own misdeeds and/or crimes or those of others) to reemerge in a place where they again wish to wield spiritual authority (by starting another ministry (sic) in which they assume spiritual leadership or selling books advising sheep on spiritual matters seeking funding from said sheep in each case) is massively troubling. The contents might be encrypted, and, if a key used to decrypt them is lost (or not handed over), they arent readable. You 2 probably believe Jesus was Jewish as well as all the disciples. Our job is to call. Judging Others I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ. Not at all but this bit sums up Hybels Leadership acumen we used to make fun of in the 90s. Dont confuse the two. Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. Thanks Dee. Amnon: I WANNA TAMAR! No one walks away unascathed. She, too, encountered the Ambien excuse. Well, it is a known fact that Hybels is a married man. At what point will Heather Lawson realize that Willow Creek needs to over? Bill Cosby, no less, but under the umbrella of a church. Given the complexity and amount of ongoing business involved in a multi-million-dollar, multi-campus enterprise, I would thank that their legal counsel would have ensured that documents (including emails) from all board members, staff, and other employees would need to be preserved, in case of legal/criminal issues arising. You were there (especially for children) This one is so true. It was a constant topic from a social psychological view. The focus was wrong and a bit too emphatic for me. Lets go a little deeper. * It is about power and control and until people in churches get this, they will be waaaaay behind the culture. Ok. @ dee: Brad, not all of us read or study the scriptures with the same filter. (none of them did it in a bothersome way, I just wasnt used to it). Either way, and knowing or assuming all this to be accurate, why would any man have his hands on women in ways that are open to suspicion if they are trying to stay out of trouble, either real or unjustly so accused? As with many couples, there were times we couldn't imagine making it through another year, let alone another decade or two. Once, while Mr. Hybels's wife, Lynne, and. Perhaps after a time. Strange things are happening on Twitter on this case. What you are saying is that public perception of sin causes people to walk away from the faith? I found Jodie Walle comments very interesting, and did help me to understand the culture. If you cant trust your pastor who can you trust? I mean, it makes for good gossip too. Listen to yourself, Brad! I am going to say something that will probably cause an uproar. Its hard to tell what I havent read. The old Soviet government arrested and jailed Christians. not for this long. Shauna (Hybels) met her husband at Willow Creek before they went to Mars Hill and joined Rob Bells staff. In your view, discussing Hybels behavior is worse than his behavior. Pew sitters paid for these seminars I cannot imagine the pain, the hurt. By . Bill Hybels stepped down. The Body of Christ will be fine. Your comments prove your ignorance and arrogance. I treated my childhood dog like a doll. Once again, that is left in the capable Hands of our Father. There are a tiny few, a tiny few. Why are you slamming the Bride of Christ? And what exactly do you think I can do about it at this point? if one has enough of those there seems to be a scale to weigh behaviors against. With the way some are acting, they mimic Hybels anger and vindictiveness rather than Christ. Lynne Hybelsis the wife of Bill Hybels-renowned founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois, This year in 2018, Billhas been publicly accused of sexual harassment and h e has resigned from the megachurch he and Lynnefounded, In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and grief on those at the She felt even more blessed when in 1985 Mr. Hybels and his wife invited her to move into their home, where she shared family dinners and vacations. Theres something to these accounts. Lydia, not sure if that is sarcasm or? The church is doing fine. just questioning a seeker sensitive approach can bring down a fair amount of push -back , heat, and attacks on your faith So, now the geru of it has resigned, over minor or mad eup attacks?? This pastor allowed abuse to continue under his nose and I am going to call him on it. I dont have any memory of doing and saying those things to her that night!. Read the Bible Dee. Right. We could apply those words to the most recent statement by Mr Hybels. Of course not. I have encountered such men who speak pridefully about how many they have saved. Near the end of this article, Dee posted this question for Willow Creek Church: Is it possible that Bill Hybels encouraged the leadership of women in order to increase his own access to women who admired him within the confines of church business, giving him plausible deniability? And I admit to being raised that public displays of affection between adults was not the best as it might make some uncomfortable. Abuse works on the good-hearted the ones who are trying to give others the benefit of the doubt, questioning their own discernment, seeking to extend charity. She also questioned her own judgment in whether he was actually being inappropriate. There are many Gods or gods. Thats only whats been reported. In hindsight, it is exactly as others have stated predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. I dont know if that all makes sense. Followed by the disciples, who never promoted themselves, built buildings, staged shows, had followers, had a staff. Just think what you could do with a well placed suggestion after taking Ambien. That seems inappropriate. Which is why the Internet is SATANIC WITCHCRAAAAAFT and their on-lookers are the WITCHES! Eleven repented and realized their failing at the resurrection. This was shortly after a truly awful Christianese Youth Group rap number (GANGSTAAAAAA!!!! Im not a lawyer, but do a lot of research and writing on spiritual abuse and toxic organizational systems. PS In the process, one creates division, hatred and war, both within and without the so-called Church. I have other views about resigning rock star pastors but wont go into it now. I never saw a cross hanging in Willow nor heard a pastor speak out against gay marriage, women pastors or the slaughter of the Palestinians, etc . Some years ago on a dictionary of internet slang, Christian Side Hug was a term for non-genital sex intended to preserve technical virginity. The Gospels that I read portray a Jesus that constainly questioned the established and told parables about what is moral that makes you walk away and think. I know I already plugged Barbs reviews of Don Hennesseys work, but Ill say again he also describes this process really well (in the context of domestic abuse.). . (The servants name was Malchus. I did respond and said that I loved Billy Graham I allow comments like this to stand so people can see problems I have experienced within Big Eva. People will walk away from Jesus Christ because Billy Hybels is not who they thought he was? There is your real problem, right there. I do not believe we can judge what is in the heart of people. Ummmmm Brad. 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