Stock has a repaired crack behindlocks. Shotgun Serial #1656 - early production made 1903-1939 - by Fabrique Nationale in Belgium with Browning patent dates Comblain - Dorther Hubert Locks are scroll engraved and marked "C. G. Bonehill". And I have a photo taken at Winchester, TX with Maj. Thomas Doan during the Dusty March, July 1863, Dechard, TN. SN:6287. http://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowl m/www/home, https://www.hunting.be/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Belgian-Proof-Marks.pdf, Belgian Liege gunmakers (A to C) - Volume 1, https://docs.google.com/document/d/17yC Xntqw/edit, https://www.dropbox.com/sc/0sf7osf1dtg1s3r/AABKOd3k4GaQV_ppAci4eWNka, https://books.google.com/books?id=5fxGA g=PA52&lpg, http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation/en _type_id=7, https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewto 5&t=471622, https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewto 5&t=474548, https://books.google.com/books?id=5fxGAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA53, http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/ar a%20gb.htm, https://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/it em_id=3618, https://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/it em_id=3202. It has been just recently released but has received some exposure in the gun blogs. Berleur Guillaume Assisted opening is offered, as are various rib styles, barrel lengths, chokes, metal finishes, etc. Courard 1848. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Good overall condition. Bores are excellent. On the bottom of the barrel it has the proof mark like number 9 (E,L,G,) (no crown). Engraving on lock and hamer are faint. Bury was famous for his double rifles and also built the legendary Super Britte. Using a shotgun shell (a self-contained cartridge with multiple small, sphere-shaped projectiles) instead of a usual bullet is what makes a shotgun a separate kind of a gun. A number of book by Dr. James Whisker and various co-authors list Amercian makers by specific region. Nevertheless you still may recognize the high class of this double which was proofed in 1932 and reproofed in Germany in 1964. The slot for the pin had to be welded up and a firing pin installed.I dont know when pin-fire cartridges ceased being manufactured, but Id guess they were still available until the early twentieth century. This mark is found on guns that is not made in Belgium by countries that use proofs that is not recognized by the Belgian Proof House. Bonehill. A quality English manufacturer. 4 0 obj It is a hammer back breakaway 12 gauge side by side. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Damascus barrels are 36". Would that appear at this location on the piece?What Im attempting to do, is get this pistol appraised; thus the research to discover all the markings. Inspector's marks can not be used to establish date of manufacture; they were re-used over time and the significance of some has been lost. Hunting, fishing, cooking, and other critical aspects of life. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! it was my grandfathers and has been in the family for a while. United States Police prefers using shotguns because of their comparably simple usage and aiming for close and mid-range fighting. Just as many muzzleloaders were converted to breechloadersthink of the Springfield trapdoor action or the British Snidermany pin-fires were converted to center-fire guns. Berthier Rifle (Series) Bolt-Action Service Rifle / Carbine. Percussion side by side manufactured in Belgium during the 1850's. Receiver, trigger guard, hammers and side locks are engraved with a floral motif. If you are considering buying a Belgian gun, look long and hard atits quality. Mark, I'm unclear what the "leg in a circle" looks like; ditto the "star over the k". Your help is appreciated. In England, the second charter of the Gunmakers' Company granted in 1672 marked the beginning of the official proving of arms, but it did not apply to weapons made elsewhere in the Kingdom, provided they were not offered for sale in the London market. (Improved) Nr. Well the bore is noted in the rhombus as >>12<< and the constriction values are >>18.2/18.2<< & >>17.3/18.2<< so with those it has to be a 12 bore. Bernimolin & Cap Thanks Hause. There's no indication of chamber length--but that didn't begin until 1892.The other marks I can't identify.So what can I tell you? Belgian Liege gunmakers (G to K) - Volume 3 The text is written in French AND English. SN:18761. New York: A. S. Barnes, 1961. The 1KG 545 is the barrel weight in grams. (Six volumes by alphabetical order), Belgian Liege gunmakers (A to C) - Volume 1. Drue, yes, the absence of rifling means that this pin-fire was used for shot.Pin-fires represent an important stage in the development of firearms. Bauduin Charles $1,750.00. All iron construction with skeleton type stock. Locks are scroll engraved and marked "J. Manton & Co.". For sale is a unique old Damascus steel Very large double barrel 10 ga shot gun. John M. Browning's first rifle, the Single Shot, was made in Ogden, Utah. Marked Wm. Side by side shotguns of this era are highly collectable and our inventory changes frequently. Wish I could be more helpful! Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. I have pics of the Proof marks I want to show you. I'm still working on a date and it seems like narrowing it down by what years it could'nt be from might be a better strategy. The company was acquired by Remington Arms in 1934. Thanks for any help you can offer.Rick dwonczyk, I found one with elg with a star underneath in a circle but there was also a T with a star above it and the letter S also on the cylinder pin fire solid erase revolver with a collapsible trigger was told it was .31, Hi, Rick. By Alain Daubresse. Metal has a grey patina. Belgian Liege gunmakers (D to F) - Volume 2. Bischop Pierre have a great day! of data available and a wealth of color pictures about the most typical pieces of his Hammers function properly. Do you have any information on them? I can't ID the 'RM', who was likely the barrel maker. Barrels are 30". Cowboy & Old Western History Items 2/3/2023 Bargain Basement 2/3/2023 Check our Services. This continued for many decades. Belgium Belgian Proofmarks Belgian proofs are among the oldest and have a very long history. Flintlock fowling pieces and rifles were made for the Northwest Indian trade until the early twentieth century; so, too, percussion long guns for sale in Africa. Comblain The English Goldsmiths Marks from 1400 to 1900 ~ 11000 Makers Marks and Hallmarks from ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, AND IRELAND ~ RARE Reference Book For Collectors Over 700 pages, Collectors and dealers will by the aid of this work be enabled to locate and fix the date of much English, Scottish and Irish plate, and to identify many marks which have been LLH (and other Belgian makers) made the tubes used by most of the U.S. double gun makers 1920s-1940s, with Siemens-Martin or Krupp (by license) steel supplied by Cockerill. Colleye Henri Joseph Thanks. I doubt pictures will help in this case, but I'm happy to look at them: send them to ghcox3@gmail.com. Damascus barrels are approximately 30". 1, Six-Round, Double-Action Pinfire Revolver. I need help identifying the maker of this old double barrel side-level shotgun that is evidently made in belgium. The idea behind such a test is to verify the strength of the barrel, breech and firing system of a firearm by deliberately firing an over-pressured cartridge. One of the better known makers of Belgian Guns during the Golden Age of Lige was Jules Bury,arquebusier in Lige passage Lemonnier, 11. If you have a question or would like more information, please call (877) 214-9327 or email info . Debouxthay was a gunmaker in Liege, Belgium, active at least from 1888-1904. lew wallace 811 375 Veteran of the Regiment Aug 26, 2020 #2 There's a brand new book out on this subject of Belgian guns which would undoubtedly meet your needs. Bernard Victor & Cie Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service.. The gun has 72 cm barrels and weighs only 2,8 Kg. Hammers cock and function properly. + 10-14% by piezoelectric transducer measurement. Shotgun relicThis is for a early 1900's Belgium made and marked with Royal Gun Works Belgium 16 gauge double barrel shotgun *Belgium Browning A5 Automatic 12 ga. insight about the gunmaking activity in Belgium from its very beginning to the middle of A reader hasasked me to say something aboutBelgian proof marks. So I'd guess it was made in the late 1800's. 13. I can't help you with the ID of the gun but there countless European gun makers, many of them Belgium, around the late 1800's early 1900's. They range in quality from very good to . That includes Belgium since making guns are big business there. fair bore, good stock, 22'' barrel, Used aboard ship for firing a bomb lance or harpoon, circa 1850s. Underlever and side plates are engraved with a floral motif. Missing the ramrod. The 16-in-a-circle indicates the nominal gauge of the shotgun and the 16/1 shows that the actual diameter of the bores was between .662" and .669". Bertrand Antoine Bovy Thodore Joseph Nr. Locks are marked "W.J Harvey". Sent from my SM-J727V using Tapatalk Aug 26, 2020 #3 Here ya go! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Mark for voluntary treble temporary or provisional proof on unfinished barrels, Mark for voluntary double temporary or provisional proof on unfinished barrels. It was used by a myriad of hunters for all kinds of wild game. Early double barrel hammer shotgun. H&H style locks are practically universal, as are double underbolts leaving a clean breech face, double triggers and selective ejectors. Closset Louis - Remy Hubert Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. Please someone let me know that they know about these Belgian doubles! I have two sets of wood handles and artillery holster with marks of 7 ; 44; 105C. Barrels when disasembled are marked with Belgian proofs near chambers. The IZh motorcycles and automobiles are manufactured by. Collard Henri - Roux Jacques Each gun maker is presented with the maximum of data available and a wealth of color pictures about the most . Locks are marked "T. Barker". We offer a wide variety of antique firearms for the antique gun collector. Antique 10 ga Belgium made percussion Shot gun **Free Shipping no CC Fees** Engraved with gold inlay. Barrels are not rifled- does this mean it must be a shotgun? Stocks are good with minor nicks and dings. Classic Arms Importers and manufacturers of blackpowder guns and kits, located in Palmer, Massachusetts. Action and hammers work properly. A complete list of suppliers of shotguns. Sidelock double with hammers. Good overall condition. Belgian Liege gunmakers (A to C) - Volume 1 By Alain Daubresse This printed and hardbound book, written in English and French by Alain Daubresse, provide an extensive insight about the gunmaking activity in Belgium from its very beginning to the middle of the 20th century. He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. Companies Gun & weapon makers from Belgium Most relevant Alphabetically: A-Z Alphabetically: Z-A We recommend VANHULEN HIGH PRECISION SPRINGS Country: Belgium Type of company: Manufacturer (own production) Established in: 1907 Languages: English, French vanhulen-high-precision-springs Company profile SSA - archery distributor SSA sporting goods NV 3 into Europe is unknown. Can you send me some, Ed? stream Locks are engraved with scenes of dogs on point. MANUFACTURERS. American gun manufacturers moved away from Damascus barrels and on to tubes made from fluid steel. "The Best Damn Gunshop in the World" Metal has a brown patina. Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. % Scarce 8 gauge side by side made in Belgium during the 1870's. The "D.D. Area Code: 804. Barrel rib is unmarked. Translated to English. Ithaca Gun Company: One of America's most successful gun makers. Christophe & Montigny Email: Info@hlebooks.com Oftentimes it makes no sense to let go of the past, particularly since shotguns from higher-quality Damascus steel are as shootable today as they were 150-plus years ago. I suspect the gun is a Janssen. American gun makers including Supplement of AMerican gun makers Item Preview remove-circle Share or Embed This Item. Heyday of the Shotgun: The art of the gunmaker at the turn of the last century. . 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