I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. Radio Scotland Abortion Debate Edited Highlights, https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw, http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0, http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop, https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, Most Read Wee Flea Articles in 2017 THE BLOG OF DAVID ROBERTSON. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. Finally that book! Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? If I were like that I would have to discount the Church at Pentecost! I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. (Note the attempted injection of humour!). Name me one church that has handled everything well. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. You accuse them of ad hominem remarks while making ad hominem remarks about them: you accuse them of defamation but feel at liberty to defame them. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. Their influence has been growing and recently . One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. 38, 31-32). For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? Because he is a pastor? The prominence of the pastor on the website, the Stephen Furtick ministries page, the common self-referrals and endless self-promotion of books/resources etc. [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. Opinion Mark Wingfield. So I hoped and prayed that this would not become another crash and burn mega church story. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. [45] His major contention was that there was no justification for closing down churches over a disease with 94% survival rate according to misinterpreted data from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? what evidence do you have for that?). Paragraph. Market data provided by Factset. It does say that if you are not careful many with money err from the faith and it also says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil, NOT MONEY ITSELF. Pastor / Teacher. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. The Bad Sadly, whilst every church has the bad, because we are all sinners and therefore infect any structure or organization we are part of, there are sometimes churches that go much further and wander away to the extent that one can hardly call them a church at all. [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? The great thing about the Village Church is that they recognised that they had not handled it well and apologised. Excellent post! I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. So for me this is not about petty jealousies, nor anti-Americanisms, nor cheap shots at other peoples foibles in order to make me feel better. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. Sadly so. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. Furtick preaches a different gospel. (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? Sums it all up. (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. This is way more than urging caution, as you later suggested. Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. Cameron Buettel, Grace To You, Hillsong, Jeremiah Johnson, music, worship. What am I gonna do? I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! by RELEVANT. His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. Is this success? There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. Hardly the same as Furticks message! 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. 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