Legacy slides will have either an internal extractor or a short external extractor. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. In the latest lawsuit, plaintiffs allege that the newer-version of the P320 can also discharge when dropped or struck from certain angles. If you had a problem while shooting reloads and they still offered warranty service (regardless of whether you had to send it in), they must have changed their policy. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. My 3 year old 320C started exhibiting fail to extract problems a while back. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. Frankly, I think that ship is the best looking sci-fi ship design ever, with the Excelsior a very close second. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! They are being replaced with Glocks. It has not yet responded to the latest legal filing, and didnt respond to a request for comment. . Extractor's gone somewhere. You arent a gunfighter, either. I will discuss the solutions to all these problems and user reviews in this article. You have entered an incorrect email address! Whats the difference between a $600 Sig and a $300 Taurus? Thats the same. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. SIG ultimately settled that lawsuit. The wife sold her 2011 to buy this gun as she is also waiting for aftermarket parts from Grays. The cost of settlements will be passed on to us. I would trust a hungry lion on the Serengeti plains of Africa more than I would a C.E.O. Fair enough. Im more of a DS9 guy. June 20, 2017 in Sig. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. Bagnell also represented Virginia Sheriffs Deputy Marcie Vadnais who sued SIG when she said her P320 went off on its own when she was removing the weapon from her belt. Vadnais was featured in the Nightline version of ABCs report. never got into the P320 It is to me a Range gun not a carry gun. The second version emphasized the upgrade to fix the drop safety issue and notes that Harrison believes that problem has been fixed. A lot like carrying a cocked and locked 1911 but with the safety off. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. The chamber on the 320's is horribly unsupported and a questionable design in my opinion. I think he said that they replaced the extractor pin or spring or something, but not the extractor itself. Only problem is with the 9F Kit. I had the same thing happen on a FS P320. If none of the new extractor parts make a difference, I'll have no choice but to send it back to Sig.thankfully I'm still within the one year warranty period allowed with CPO guns. I still love my Sig so I really hope everything works out. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. It was not a double charge, but it did blow out the extractor. The federal government intends to order up to 20,000 pistols for the military to replace its Second World War-era Browning Hi-Power handguns in a project that could be worth up to $50 million. The military is much smarter and no, the gun is not junk. Have you tried a different slide and barrel. They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. So i finally sent in my 320sc for the upgrade. We'll see what happens now. There are 18 other similar incidents claimed in the lawsuit. BrianEnos.com I purchased a Sig P320C 9mm in November 16, i finally got to shoot it in Dec and now February. All with VV310. That focus drifts. The list is long proving gun manufactures were well aware of this problem now for 121 years yet they abandoned this when the Glock infested the gun market. Then when the gun still wouldnt operate right, field stripped it and cleared the debris, but didnt understand the gun enough to realize it was now super broken. Have you ever put a handgun down with your palm in front of the muzzle? He probably had a double until it was over. Paste as plain text instead, Zimmerman said he is confident his plaintiffs will prevail in the lawsuit filed this week. Bagnells and other lawsuits ABC claims at least 54 discharges and 10 suits against SIG describe instances of P320s going off dating back to 2016, prior to the upgrade. There were a lot of changes. Todd started as a news correspondent with NHPR in 2009. Their visceral hatred for that which they see as competition to their little golden calf god and their blind, myopic, childish self-identification with an external dynamic is hilarious! Right. I call b-s on all these my gun magically went off. That said, I own multiple P320s, but all of them have the manual safety due to personal preference. They habitually use their customers as the product testers by selling what are essentially prototypes while quietly implementing rolling revisions. ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. Trust a P365 with your life. Time will tell if no. Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. Last year, Sig Sauer settled a class-action lawsuit that alleged design defects in the P320. Theres also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. The new trigger mechanism is less likely to fire without the trigger being pulled, making the P320 much safer to use. I know off body carry is a recipe for disaster. Hey yall! When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. And it doesnt take too much Googling to find plenty of reports of LEOs suing the Georgia company as well (see here, here, here, and here for just a few). Got my P320 in March 2015 so it was one of the earlier ones. I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. Well the Lonewolf stainless steel extractor came into today for my P320. . The gun has been running flawlessly with mixed brass with 165gn plated, 158gn 38/.357, and 147 factory since. If you think of anything else, post it and I will reply. Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. If the military was going to go cheap then they should have thrown Taurus into the mix. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. BTW it was HK that made the first polymer gun, Glock actually stole the idea for the G17 from them. And N310 is yet faster burning powder, where you are guaranteed higher peak pressure for the same velocity with the same bullet at the same OAL, and 165gr is yet a heavier bullet, where you get greater pressure increases per tenth of a grain of powder, so less forgiving. One, the energy necessary to lift the striker-securing safety plunger may be insufficient due to a too-weak spring, or a too-light plunger, or some other design flaw, to reliably engage the plunger where it belongs. The Defiant regardless of who is the captain. Thank yall for your input. He was happy to find this post and that it confirmed that he felt the case support looked inadequate. fabes_ 6 yr. ago Not sure if the FTE is related to the feeding problems people see with certain ammo, but check out this link, it MAY be what you need to see. And thats just my opinion. During a confrontation with a suspect, Parkss department-issued P320 allegedly fired while his hands werent on the weapon, resulting in a bullet wound to Maritato. At rest, cocked, it may very well have enough oomph to set some primers off. I agree. Sig Sauer has also made other changes to the P320, including a new striker safety mechanism and a new disconnect safety. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. Ron, And many departments across the country have had to lower their standards for passing qualifications just to be able to hire on and keep officers. In 2017, a prominent online gun shop pulled the P320 from its shelves, citing its concern that the weapon could fire if dropped from the wrong angle. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? BrianEnos.com . Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. Holding the striker fully cocked with nothing to block it if the sear fails is questionable at best. Service your Sig P320 pistol with quality OEM and aftermarket parts/components to ensure a solid performance . I've heard a couple of cases of this. They function as commanded every time. Vihtavuori doesn't publish data for even N320 with a 147gr plated bullet, much less N310, so not only is this N310, it's with an even heavier 165gr bullet. It was at that point that I knew the gun had a design flaw. Fundamentally, the bits that the ambulance chaser claims are flawed function exactly the same way as a S&W M&P. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. They received it on 1/10/2018. Doesn't happen with any of the other calibers / kits. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. NO. So are dumb(or arrogant) cops. Both versions of #1 and #2 can be caused by the gun short stroking. Another possible cause is using light loads where the slide isn't cycling far enough to hit the ejector. SHORTBUS- As stated, used all of the other calibers and kits with both FCUs. Yes, even lightly polished the top and bottom to prevent binding. RAYZ-When I LAMR I load a full mag (11 rounds in a factory 17 or 21 round mag) then cycle the slide. It was a huge issue at one point because the company who they outsourced the extractor to went cheap. With Biden spending outrageous amounts of money, whats 100 million here or there? Either the gun is defective or its not. Location. ABCs own hired consultant, who appears to have no dog in these fights, asserted that he could find no reasonable explanation for these claims and that he considers the upgraded P320 pistols safe for sale to law enforcement and the public. If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. The company has repeatedly denied the P320 is unsafe. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Asking for a friend. 2. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. hate to tell you this but most lawnmowers with the handle bar stop get tied down. He said there has to be something wrong with the gun if this is happening to individuals with this amount of training, this amount of skill.. And have the dropping 320 go off? The gun ran better then it has but instead of stove pipes out of about 120 rounds she had about 4-6 fte but with these fte was almost like the ejector didnt even attempt to grab the case. N310 with 165gr? . The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. By They have hundreds of thousands of P320s in regular service now and, despite a search, we couldnt find a rash of reports of soldiers claiming their pistols are firing on their own. He quickly too quickly tried to pick up the gun from the floor before anyone could see it, and in his haste, he picked it up with his finger on the trigger and accidentally fired the gun. Yeah, what he said . I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. Every weekend guns blow up running high pressure calibers like 9mm Luger loaded with super fast powders that are meant for low pressure cartridges like .45. Had it for 1 hour and had to send it back to Sig! Contacted late Friday, a spokeswoman for special forces said the investigation is still ongoing and would not confirm the companys findings. He said hes a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder. I have several marks on the right side of my RMR as well. The thing is, youd probably need to generate many Gs of force in both directions simultaneously. Attorney Bagnell held up the law enforcement officers he represents as examples of people who are highly trained in carrying and using firearms. Hey, Im sitting here staring at my P320, waiting for it to go bang! Powered by Invision Community. Look at the photos g macposted of the barrel and factory ammo shot in that barrel. Because its flat out bull**it. This weekend I had a FTE that jammed up my gun pretty good. there is no better. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Both of my P320 carry's developed extraction issues. I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. I continue to bet my life on them. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. It that does not work, I will either send it back to Sig or ditch the gun and go back to Glock or Smith & Wesson for a striker fired handgun. The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. If the latter were to occur, the drop safety would prevent discharge because it would not be pushed up by anything. More common is the incorrect reassembly, for those who have removed the plunger, spring or claw. Sig P320 Extractor Problems, www.SigForum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/150601935/m/7630095024?r=7630095024#7630095024. Upon examination, the shell had a scratch on the rim. A little variance in the powder drop combined with a lower volume case and you get a round on the high end of the pressure scale for the load. Once springs loosened up a bit, fill it to the rim. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. . Took the wife out to SC yesterday after changing out to the 1911 guide rod with a 12lb spring. Completely cleaned and lubed? Slide has cycled all of the way back and attempts to strip the next round from the magazine. Looking for possible tips before she starts to get frustrated. I expect a handgun to run anything I put in it, within reason; I do not believe expecting the gun to run with steel case to be unreasonable. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. He is also calling on the gunmaker to issue a recall on this product, and pull this product from the market, until they make this gun safe.. I'm hoping this was a fluke due to a really weak casing - if anyone has any other thoughts please share. For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.. So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. All those customers who paid $1600 now had a limited function paper weight. This part is a high-quality replacement internal extractor for specific versions of the P220 and most X5 models. NH food pantries expect rise in demand as SNAP benefits drop, Saint-Marc, tapped as federal magistrate judge, poised to make history in NH, NH AGs pursuit of hate group marks a turning point in officials response to extremism, Over 2 million more electric vehicles estimated in New England over next decade. Withe the P320 Sigs contract was $169.5 million, $103 million cheaper then Glock. The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. Has anyone else had issues? Its a novelty, its got issues! Still waiting. Some have suggested that this could have been aggravated by the lack of a trigger safety, as most other. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. If you need a Sig extractor for either a carbon steel or stainless steel slide model, check our parts pages first. This is actually another new Sig p320 RX, besides the 2 sig blow outs last match[emoji13]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. (chamber area) and checked for spent shell retention. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The P320 was known to discharge if dropped on the striker plate at a certain angle. But that's just me. Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). Stoppage occurs any where from the 3rd round to the 10th round. In a straight up Glock vs. Sig battle, the United States Marines chose Sig, and that was AFTER watching the P320 perform for four years. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. how do I get one for my P320? 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