Mag., the 264 Win. needing 1.3 mils for a 10 mph full value wind. Neither caught on, but American shooters were certainly beginning to recognize the potential for 7mm cartridges. Now waiting on ADG to do another run of 7 SAUM brass. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. Yes, the .28 Nosler wins the ballistic competition with the RUM right on its heels. Going super light though might make the 280 ai another good choice. It's often put head-to-head with other popular calibers like the 7mm Rem. New member question. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . Creedmoor Sports $ 86.95 . With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. Mag. ADG Brass. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. Wyoming NR Special increase headed for the Gov's signature, Nutrition/Running/Strength Training/Other Workouts, FORLOH AllClima Softshell and AllClima Stretch Woven Pant Review. And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. . This precision does not mean the 7mm PRC is a long range target round only. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. 180-gr. These drawings will be incorporated during the next revision of the relevant SAAMI Standard. Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. for their 7mm SAUM with a 140 grain bullet. Varme Hansker for Sykling, Lping og Kjring, Stor kapasitet skulderveskeKjp 2, -10%, 18-i-1 snfnuggformet multiverkty i rustfritt stl, Bilkropp plastnagler festing (150 stk)Kjp 2, -10%. 7mm PRC vs 28 Nosler The 28 Nosler shoots at faster muzzle velocities, but is an overbore cartridge that requires a very long chamber, with the Hornady hype behind the 7mm PRC, brass and ammo should be much more readily available soon enough. needed another shot behind the head to kill it. The 7 PRC should be built on 1:8 or 1:7.5 twist barrels to stabilize all these. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. I have a 7 LRM in a DTA, I've been pretty happy with it. The 7 SAUM is a short-action, magnum cartridges similar to the 7 WSM. More obscure were the 7mm Gibbs and the Norma-loaded 7x61mm Sharpe & Hart in the early 1950s. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUMa shoot-off to find the best, By All Rights Reserved. If your just hunting without extended range sessions I'g use this over the 7rem mag. I would also add that if you are not going to optimize the rifle to get the most out of the 28 Nosler just stick with the tried and true 7mm Rem mag. I go back and forth in my head 1000 times on choices, then I will decide on what I know that I want, then I'll see something else and go back to the drawing board. More significant are the chamber dimensions, which are tighter than those of most traditional, 20th century hunting cartridges. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). Mag. Mag. . Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. Mag., 270 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, and 300 H&H Magnum looked all but washed up. RDF, or Bergers 190-gr. So how do you choose among these three? But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . This will be a custom built hunting rifle(deer and elk) and will need to be carried long distances. Buy Now. I tested the 7 STW, 7 RUM, 7 Rem mag, 7-300 win mag and even a 7 Lapua. Mine is a 26" 1-9 twist non saami 280 ackley. But if your wanting the long action anyway, I'd go with the 280ai. Want to do 24-26 barrel. Buy Now. Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. It's an extraordinary caliber that has proven itself for decades upon decades, and just in the last few years has hit new strides thanks to the SAAMI standardization of the caliber, because of it's time-tested popularity. You can drive 10 mph and get thousands and thousands more miles out of your tires, but wouldnt you rather drive highway speed? You must log in or register to reply here. Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. As the name suggests, this round is aimed squarely at accurate, long range performance. Howdy. This is probably too high for real world hunting, but well use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). #1 Postby Marty Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 am. Trustpilot. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. 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I think the 7saum is here to stay. Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. Following since I want to do the exact same thing. Genesis 1:1 NRA Benefactor Life, SAF, RMEF, Memberships "Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? Interesting. The sample Hornady 180-gr. at the muzzle. with either the Berger 215- or 230-grain Hybrid and push them at maximum pressures. You are using an out of date browser. One of the draws to the 7 SAUM is the availability of high-quality brass through companies like Norma and ADG. If we're talking optimizing performance, a 26" barrel is not optimum for either cartridge - you should instead be looking at 30" - 32" barrels. Pros and Cons of the 7mm PRC landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. Of course, this was an overreaction, but at the time millions were convinced the new 7mm was the do-all-end-all of deer/elk/moose and even bear hunting cartridges. The 28 Nosler uses .284 diameter bullets while the 300 Win Mag uses larger .308 bullets. 28 nosler is a great case, barrel burner, but if you're looking for say 3000fps w/ 195 at lower pressure, use H1000 or Retumbo, adg/gunwerks brass, and the brass will last you forever, take care the barrel and it may go 1000 rounds. .672., MV 2,900 fps. Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. I already have a few 264 caliber rifles. When making your choice, don't factor in component or ammo availability. at the muzzle. Bullet made it in about 3" an blew a big hole in it. Ron Spomer The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. Never saw the need for the added horse power of the 7 STW so I sold it and stayed with the 7 mm Rem Mag. Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Foot of the Big Belt Mountains near Townsend MT. The 28 Nosler is in the 7mm Rifle Ammo family. rick smith. Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. . 7 saum and 7 rem mag seem like good compromises. Buy Now. Im using Winchester brass, and it's showing no signs of wear after 8 or 9 reloads. I have both the 300 and 7mm SAUM, the 300 is on a model 7 action and the 7mm a standard 700SA. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. Both were introduced in 2001. 7mm Rem. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. Brass is not going anywhere as a handloaders cartridge. Qty: Add to cart. RL-19, H4350, and IMR 4350 are all good choices. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. It is simply the 7mm SAUM case necked down. Nosler shortened the RUM case, gave it a 35-degree shoulder, and shortened the neck to .276. A major part of that depends on rifling twist. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. $ 87.00 - $ 145.00. | I'm going 7-300prc because it'll out pace a 7mag by 100-150fps with all bullet weights at much more manage pressures. Again, both seen like great options but I want this to be a hunting rig, as I've got a rifle for shooting steel. Regardless what rifle cartridges were initially designed for, they can be perfect for other applications, which suggests the 7mm PRC could be your next do-all big game hunting cartridge. 224 Valkyrie. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. Its a criterion 26 barrel. Hornadys 7mm PRC with its high B.C. I am very pleased I am shooting retumbo using adg brass which is excellent brass highly recommend, shooting 165 Gamechanger at 3075, 180 Berger right at 3000. and instead recommends the 30-28 nosler, 300 norma and improved, and 300 PRC stating that each has 75% less throat erosion than the 28 nosler and with essentially identical ballistics. If the muzzle energy is higher, it will leave the bullet with higher energy. burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. Both are great rounds. Heres what a trajectory table looks like for the 180-gr. Guys report great brass life with belted cases. Id be set for all North American game plus African plains game right up to 1,800-pound eland. Trustpilot. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. I have one on a 26" proof barrel. The extra heat required to reach hyper speed eats away at barrel throats rather quickly. 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